Trump lies about the pandemic, according to ... Trump!

In our latest episode, the original idea was to expose the myth that Trump has been good in his response to the coronavirus. But then former investigative journalist Bob Woodward plays tapes of Trump saying in February that the virus was more deadly than even the worst flu, was dangerous to even the young, and was airborne--all while telling the American public it was no worse than the normal flu and would just "go away."

Brad and Laurie discuss this, along with the Jeffrey Goldberg expose in The Atlantic about Trump's views of military war veterans, as well as a few other scandals. Along the way, they address journalistic ethics, the use of sources, and the President's complete lack of empathy or genuine emotion.